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Welcome to episode five of season two. If you just joined, this is Maria at Maria, the arcane on Instagram. And we have Robin At, which on Instagram. Good morning. Good morning.
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If you have just joined us every single week or every episode, I guess we do it every other week. We talk about upcoming lunar phases and kind of what that means for us in terms of the grand picture magic, et cetera. Let’s see what day is today’s? The third. So it will be the fifth when this episode comes out. So the upcoming lunar phase after that is going to be on March 13, which is the new moon in PISCES. When we are looking at PISCES in general, we’re seeing a very dream like, head in the clouds kind of energy. It is a water sign and therefore this is a great time to work with water magic or work with that element, I guess. But overall, we are looking at kind of working with our intuition, the dreamy side of things. This would be a really good time to practice and tap into things like lucid dreaming. If you have not I don’t know if that’s not regularly a part of your practice. And Divination in general is really good to use during this time. The new moon in general, as we all know, and we talk about regularly, is a good time to do like, fresh starts. So when we’re looking at divination and we’re looking at fresh starts together, this would be a really good time to tap into doing some scrying, some lucid dreaming, some meditations, et cetera, to help you take the next step forward in your life. So this wouldn’t be necessarily looking at why your ex left you or something like that, but instead we’re looking at things like, you know, trying to try to get promoted in my career. What are some, like, self reflective steps that I can take to assure that happening? These are the kinds of things that we’re looking at. PISCES new moon in general also deals with looking way back. So this might be a really good time to look into past life stuff on like a very mundane level, maybe tapping into doing, like, what’s that website called it’s like Ancestry.com. Yeah, that’s it. Where you’re just trying to figure out a little bit more about where you come from, that sort of thing. I know Maria and I have talked in the past about if you’re really new to your path and you don’t really know which way to go, looking back is a good way to move forward. What kind of stuff did your grandma practice? Even if she wasn’t a witch? There’s always going to be folklore from your relatives area, and you can use that as a starting point. So these are the sort of things that we want to do, either looking a divination for taking the next step forward or going way back to kind of find a really good starting point that can be our ancestors. It could also be past life stuff. But I will warn you, when doing past life stuff, make sure that if you aren’t doing it for yourself and instead you’re hiring somebody to help you, make sure that they’re coming from a reputable source. Because things like past life stuff, it’s really easy for people to take advantage of others. So just make sure that you’re looking at it from a reputable source. Like, I know Maria does past life readings, there’s a few other people that do them that I would trust, but just don’t necessarily go to the white pages and find somebody. That might not be a good idea. Ask around, shop around. Ask around before diving into that stuff. I think that’s the most important is to actually go know someone who has done it and get a person’s review of that person before you 100%. Just give them your money. And like, even like using Maria’s past life readings as an example, the way she does tarot readings just might not vibe with you. Just like the way I do tarot readings just might not vibe with some people. And that’s okay. So ask around first. Shop around before saying, take my money. Yeah, exactly. So what are you planning for this new moon? Are you planning anything? Honestly, right now I am literally just looking into my standard new moon divination. It just happens to be that it’s a PISCES new moon, so it aligns really well. But yeah, I haven’t planned anything that special. I like how you mentioned Scrying, because I was thinking about Scrying with some brainwater. Yeah, I had this huge crystal ball that I was sent in the summertime, I think, and I’ve yet to use it because I just haven’t had the time to sit down and cry because it takes a long time and it’s meaning to do. Maybe I’ll muster up the energy and do it.
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I don’t know her.
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So if you just started listening to us, every podcast, we talk about a random Tarot card. We go over the universal meaning and then our own interpretations of them. Hearing other people’s opinions helps beginners form their own opinions, or even those who have been practicing for a while, expand their views on other meetings. So this week, we’re going to talk about the two of cups. So on this card, you’ll see two people facing each other holding cups. One of the figures is reaching out for the other person. Between these two and above the cups, there is a Hermes wand and a lion’s head with wings. Our two figures are standing on solid foundations and there is a house on a hill behind them. The universal keywords to this card are partnerships, love, attraction, and relationships. So for me, this card is about emotional connections we make in life. These connections can be those we have with others or even like connections we find within ourselves when it comes to emotional fulfillment. When this card pops up in readings, it shows an emotional puzzle piece is falling into place when it comes to romance, our partnerships part of this card, unlike the lovers, which symbolizes for myself facing challenges within our relationships and possibly even one person not willing to put the work and effort into the relationship. Instead, with this card, it shows both people are coming to the table and are willing to make it work. They complete each other in some way and are more than willing to support each other emotionally. When it comes to circumstances outside of relationships. This may revolve around finding a job or hobby that brings you happiness and a little bit of joy. You feel complete doing whatever it is that you have found. Regardless of whether it is a person or situation, this is still in the beginning stages of something it is meant to be built off of, as depicted by the solid foundations under the figure speed, which reminds me of the four wands in Tarot. So what are your opinions, Robin dear? I’m going to be really annoying and completely disagree with your interpretation of the Two of Cups. This is actually, I think, a great learning lesson. I know we brought it up lots of times, but it’s one of those times where it’s like you have two readers, they both know the cards, but they have different interpretations and both are valid. So I have found that the Two of Cups is a lot like it’s like the tinder of Tarot cards in that you have two people coming together for a mutual agreement. Maybe that is a short term fleeing a hookup, whatever, but it’s not meant to last. Most times I see the two of Cups, it is like two people that have an important relationship in each other’s life, in that both of them learn and grow from it. But it’s like being at a party where you have a really good drunken conversation with somebody and then you never see them again. Does that make sense? Yes, that makes sense. And so for me, oftentimes when I get this card, it isn’t for a long term lasting relationship, but instead something that is. It’s important for your overall journey to get to that endpoint where you do find your person you’re meant to be with for forever, but this person isn’t your person. But you still should stay there because you’re going to learn something really valuable and important from it. It’s outgrowth.
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Yeah. And for me, it’s like with tools, it’s so much about balance, and sometimes finding that balance within ourselves through another person is so valuable and so important, but that’s all it is. It’s a stepping stone that has helped us to better ourselves and be a better person, a better partner, et cetera. But it doesn’t mean that it’s meant to be forever, and that’s okay. I love hearing your thoughts. I always love to hear other people’s opinions on the card. That’s really interesting. I think it’s a good reflection. Thanks, mom. I think it’s a good reflection, too, of the fact that Tarot, although, yes, there are cards, there are general meanings to cards and symbolism. There is also that personal experience that we bring into Tarot reading that shapes what cards mean for us from person to person. It’s kind of like the correspondences that we talked about last time. So I think it’s important. Yes, I completely agree.
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So this week we thought we’d talk about tips for reading Tarot for others. Reading for others can be fun and exciting, but it can also be extremely stressful, especially when you’re first starting out. Do you have a tip you want to share? Well, first of all, I’d like to preface a few things before we get into this. First and foremost, the idea that people are never nervous is silly. So, like, shut up. I still get nervous. I mean, I did that podcast interview for WebCrawlers this week, or last week, I guess, and I was nervous as fuck. It was on camera. I get nervous for every single terror reading that is like, I don’t have time to pause and think. So, first of all, don’t think that just because somebody has been doing it for a million years doesn’t mean they don’t get nervous doing it for people. Because, frankly, at my day job as a hotline people, if you don’t tell them what they want to hear, they get really mad. And so I get nervous for that stuff as well. Your human interactions, it’s scary. Please don’t yell at me. So I wanted to preface that. And secondly, I wanted to preface because I know Maria and I have lightly talked about this on the discord, if you want to reach out for others, I think that’s fantastic. You don’t need to be well seasoned to do it. It’s amazing practice, you know what I mean? To learn the cards and, like, totally do it. However, perhaps don’t charge people when you don’t know what you’re doing. It honestly gives our whole community a really bad name when you have people who have absolutely no idea what they’re doing, and they’re like, That’ll be $15. Yes, your energy and time is valuable and important, but I don’t want to tell people what they can and can’t do. So I’m not trying to tell you what you can and can’t do, but at least if you’re going to charge people, be upfront with them that you’re like learning and this is like practice for you and that you are charging for your time, but it’s at a reduced rate, blah, blah, blah, just be upfront about it, because otherwise it does, unfortunately, give our community a yucky name, and I don’t like that. Yeah, I think reading for friends and family starting off is a great step, rather than reading for strangers, even if you read for strangers. I know when I was like trying to get practice a billion years ago, I’d ask for just tips. If you want to tip me, you can. If you don’t, that’s okay because I am using you as a practicing tool. I still got plenty of tips from doing that. So you know what I mean? It’s not like putting yourself in that position means that you will absolutely not make money. I don’t know. Just be honest and transparent. That’s the big thing. Yeah, I definitely agree.
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That was actually one of the things I want to say. Like to start with people you know and trust and like yeah, I don’t know.
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I’ve effectively lectured everyone for two and a half minutes. We do it all the time on here. It’s fine. It’s coming from a good place, I promise.
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Please listen to us. Oh my word. So I say don’t be afraid to ask for information about whoever you’re readings for situation. Some people think this is considered cheating, but it really isn’t. The cards will always say what they have to say, but asking for more information helps you make the information more unique to your client and their situation. You’ll be able to make connections in a way that will give them more reading and more depth to their reading. Yeah, I agree 100%. And I feel like there are certain things that it’s important to ask. Like for example, you have client or the person you’re reading for, Jane Doe, right? And she wants to know about John. Well, is John a platonic relationship or is this a romantic relationship? Because the same card will have two different meanings. If it is platonic or romantic and it’s perfectly fine and fair to ask that question and if the person in question who you’re reading for has an issue with that, then maybe it’s time to explain to them the difference between a psychic medium and a terror reader. And even psychic mediums can’t just tap that shit on whenever they want to. That is watching too many movies. Like Marie said, it is okay to ask little. Don’t ask them. For example, if somebody comes to you and is like, me and John broke up when we get back together, don’t ask them like, why did you break up? Why did you do that? You know what I mean? Because the fact that’s not going to change whether or not what the cards are going to say. You’re just being nosy and prying at that point. Yes, there’s a big difference between general readings, which is all in the name. It’s a general reading. So it’s going to give you a brief overview of whatever. But if it’s like something for romance or even for your job or something like that, you need more information. So if your client is withholding information, you’re going to be giving them half past answers, in my opinion. And we want to give them as much information as we can possibly give them with the card. And as soon as you start over asking questions and start doing stuff like how’d you break up DA DA. Now your bias is being put into it. Yes, you now have an opinion before you’ve actually drawn anything which is going to skew the rating. Ask general questions. Like we said, is it romantic? Is a platonic. You can ask what is his name, his date of birth, or her name, her date of birth, that sort of thing. Or sometimes people say it’s romantic and they say, okay, is this a potential partner or a hopeful? Or is this an ex or a potential partner? Because again, that alters thing, somebody from the past versus somebody who we’re hoping to be with. But that’s it. These are the kinds of general questions you want to ask because we don’t want to bring in bias beforehand. It’s the main reason why reading for ourselves can be very difficult in the beginning because we have inherent bias. Reading for others is way easier than reading for myself. 100%. I mean, shit, I’ve asked Maria to read for me before on stuff that I’m like, I have way too much bias on this. I need somebody else to read for me, and there’s nothing wrong with that. There’s nothing wrong with that. I always have to be my own reader and be like, I’m going to step away from the spread for, like, a day, and then I’m going to look at it again with, like, outsiders eyes because I’m reading way too much into this. But yeah, I definitely do agree. I agree with everything that you said. Thanks. Just because I have a huge brain. So don’t be afraid to be like, what specifically do you want to know? Because if they’re not telling you specifically what they want to know, they’re not not going to get the answer that they’re hoping not that they’re hoping for, but the answer that they’re looking for. 100%. It’s another reason why leading us back to the thing that I preach all the time and I’m sure every one of you guys are like, this motherfucker needs to shut up, is you should start with a writerweight Smith based deck, because we know what the cards mean there. You can find the information everywhere. You can find multiple interpretations everywhere, where sometimes decks that are unique and indy, they’re beautiful. I’m not saying don’t use them, especially like, tipticks that only have they’re beautiful. I love them. I think that they’re great. However, sometimes the little booklets that come with them can be a little bit more positive, a little bit more, let’s say, toxic positivity. And there’s a lot of value to that. But as a learner deck, even get the beautiful deck, get the super pretty deck, but then go get a writer Wade Smith like book to go with it because as a learner deck. Going off of the artist’s interpretation is not going to set you up for future decks. It’s not going to set you up to necessarily succeed overall in the bigger picture. There’s nothing wrong with those decks. There’s nothing wrong with the booklets that come with it. But I believe that the booklets that come with it are better suited for somebody who is really confident in reading Tarot, that then they can be like, Oh, that’s interesting that this is what the artist interpreted this as. I’ll include that as part of my own interpretation when using this deck versus that’s what this card means. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes total sense. I love guidebooks just because I always say that I love to read other people’s opinions. Exactly. But yeah, starting off with the writer Wade Smith, because all the material that you will find is mostly besides guidebooks are geared towards that. And if you’re reading I don’t know, it’s very complicated. And it is yeah. I just think having that base, as you said, is incredibly important before you move on to more unique decks. And the fact of the matter is that I understand that a lot of us are on a budget, and you’re like, Maria Robin, I don’t got no extra book money. The thing is with the right away sip is that you can just go into Google and you can find direct resources, multiple resources, just for the writer wavesmith interpretations. So don’t feel as though you have to go out and spend $100 million to be having access to this information. There’s apps, literally. I have one on my phone that I use for other people do that’s called Tarot. And it is literally just Writerweight Smith interpretations. And I use it when I’m trying to show other people, like, this is what the card looks like. I don’t use the interpretation portion of it, but it is there and it’s accurate. And that was a free app, so they exist. You don’t have to spend a bunch of money. But I would start there another tip I want to talk about. I think we did touch on it a little bit, but get used to being upfront about what the cards have to say, whether it is good or bad news. It is hard to pass on bad news or being upfront with if they are being their own blockage. But trying to be like all love and light when it comes to reading will be at the detriment of the person you’re reading for. Reading is meant to help us grow, and ignoring the negative cards and trying to put a positive spin on it is very damaging to what the reading is supposed to do. It’s fine. It’s like if someone gets a negative card, you’re more than welcome to explain to them how they can possibly improve the situation. But this is what the card is saying negatively. And you need to take this into account, because most of the time, especially, like, if, let’s say, the Five of Cups comes up, you have to go through it to get through it. You have to go through the hard period so you can finally move on. And ignoring those feelings will just make your clients it will just make their feelings faster and grow. If you tell them they need to move on and see the good in the city, it’s learning bedside manner. You can tell people really bad news, but in a kind way, while still sticking to the fact that, no, this is bad news. We’re not going to bypass what’s happening here. You can still tell them nicely. 100%. I agree with Maria 100%. Don’t try to find the positive and shit, because life is not always positive. And that is, in turn, part of why, again, going back to why the Writer waits is so important to learn off of, life is not always positive. And I’ve heard from people 100 times, probably more, well, I just don’t vibe with the Writer waitsmith. Okay, that’s, I guess, fair. I don’t really know why, but fine, fair enough, right? But then get a deck that has the formatting and get the book, get the resource. You might not vibe with the imagery for whatever reason, but if you are ignoring the interpretation, the foundational interpretation of the cards, yes, you will eventually branch off, make your own interpretations, et cetera, just like we talked about with the two Cups, that Maria and I had very opposing viewpoints on it, but we both started with the foundational, understanding basic numerology, understanding the suit meanings, et cetera, et cetera. Once you get down the number meanings and the meaning, you’re golden. Exactly. Golden. And then you can start basing off your own opinions once you are comfortable with the foundational meanings. So even if you don’t vibe with Pamela Coleman Smith’s artwork, for some reason, you get a deck that follows that same formatting, and then get a resource book and use that. Go get an app, go find a reliable website, whatever, and use that. Because there are so many amazing decks that have that imagery. Most of the decks I have are based off of the Writer Waitsmith. It’s learning that and understanding that imagery and the symbolism in it. It’s kind of like all aspects of magic. You tell me, for example, that green is for money. Okay? Why do we associate green with money? Right? And the same exact information applies to Tetero. Why do we associate the two of Cups with this? As Maria said, two people coming together and making it work. Or as I said, two people coming together, learning a lesson and then leaving. Why? And it’s all based off of the symbolism that’s in the cards. Yeah,
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don’t go too crazy too quick, because they’re beautiful. And I get it. Marie and I both have got 500 million tarot decks between the two of us,
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husband who is in another room, I do not have any tarot decks, and the one I’m getting on vermincy is my first. Speaking of not going crazy or going crazy, I think it’s right now. This is rock. It is 09:00 A.m.. Are we doing this or what?
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When it comes to reading for other people, don’t burn yourself out. Yes, while some people can handle reading for many clients a day, it does use up a bunch of energy, especially if you’re writing them out rather than it being face to face. I had to learn this the hard way when I first started reading for people. Now I take such a great deal of time writing up my readings. Most of mine are five to seven pages long and double column. It’s a lot of work and effort, and after I’m done writing up my client readings, I’m exhausted and I need a break. But I used to push and keep pushing the envelope just so I could fit more people in, because I didn’t want anyone to have to wait on their readings and stuff like that. But it took so much out of me, and I see that all the time with especially newer readers who are like, I’m tired, and I just have so many I need to do, I have to catch up. And yes, that happens with work all the time for everybody, where you have to burn the midnight oil. But if you’re doing that all of the time, you’re going to be exhausted and you’re not going to want to indulge in your own spiritual practice or even read for yourself because you’re so tired for reading for other people. So just incorporating some balance into reading for others should be very important. Setting boundaries is important when it comes to magic of any kind, both within yourself and with people around you. So don’t be afraid to say, sure, I’d love to do a reading for you, but in a couple of days, or sorry, I can’t right now, I’ve done too many and I’m just a little tired, I need a break. There is nothing wrong with needing a break and scheduling readings rather than just like, taking them all on at once. Exactly. So creative boundaries with you and yourself and everything will be okay. Remember one last thing, actually, before we switched, before I make a shitty remark. Not shitty remarks, smartass remark, which is what I was about to do, which is so unlike me.
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One last thing before we end this subject is something we talked about last night in our discord, actually. And I think it’s important to reiterate to every single person that is listening to this, learning tarot is a muscle, it’s a skill. And think about going to the gym. You don’t go to the gym for a week and suddenly you’re a bodybuilder. It’s something that you have to work for. You train your body for. You eat special foods and you lift weights and yell at the gym. I don’t know what people do at the gym. Okay? I don’t know why I decided to use this metaphor. I think that’s a great metaphor. Because when you build muscle, if you work out, you tear muscles, and what you’re supposed to do is rest and eat in order to rebuild those muscles by using Maria gym rat,
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I mean this, which used to have, like, ABS. So wow. Not me.
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The point is that what we have found in general is that people are way too hard on themselves. You all are way too hard on yourselves because you aren’t as skilled as, like, me or Maria or other readers that do this professionally. This is something that you guys have to remind yourself that we’ve been doing this for two decades, and it’s okay that you’re not the body builder yet and that you are still figuring out how to lift weights, how to tarot muscles, or whatever the fuck the metaphor is getting at. But even I’m still learning, and I’m still like my learning about the cards. Yeah, my opinions about the cards evolve and change over time depending on what I’m going through life and what experiences pop up with clients or otherwise. And that’s why I would say remain open to other people’s viewpoints. Maybe like, wow, that is really resonating with me right now. Wow, Robin, your cranium is so big. You have such a big rain, and I love that for you. But for real, everybody needs to start being nicer to themselves while learning this sort of stuff. It is a muscle, it is a skill. It is something that you will get better at over time, not overnight. Be freaking nice to yourself. Otherwise you are going to just burn out and give up. Remind yourself where you were when you first started versus where you are now. And maybe you’ve only been doing it for a week, but in that week, I bet you’ve made more progress than you had on the first day. So nice yourself, or I’m going to power bomb you into next year. And nobody wants that. Okay? I’ve got the strength of a fully grown woman and a six month old fetus. So I would literally destroy you. Don’t make me do it. Don’t make me do it, guys. I’ll end you. No, but for real, please be nice to yourself. It is a skill. It is something that takes time to learn. We didn’t land on the moon because we thought about going to space once. It was something that took a lot of time and teamwork and you know what I mean? Practice and skill and test and trial. Like, just be nice.
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So, Maria, what stirring your culture in this week? Let me tell you, never stops being funny. Really? Everybody listening is like, no, it actually didn’t stop being funny. Like, six months ago, we’re like, shut up. Well, I’m sorry, it’s going to be a thing and it’s going to stay a thing anyways. Stop trying to make that happen. It’s happening.
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So one of my favorite things to do before the green plant sperm hits like a tidal wave is to spend more time outdoors. I do honestly spend more time outside than I do in winter. Even while we’re swimming in that green gunk and just by dealing with pollen, and
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it coats your lungs and you’re like, at night, you’re like, why am I having problems breathing? But anyway, oh, my God. Despite dealing with pollen and the bugs the size of birds, I really do feel like more connected to Mama Earth during this time than I do during winter because I’m not stuck in doorsts. I love laying out a blanket underneath my chase tree while I read witchy books or read tarot and watching the light find its way through the branches. And then at night, lighting a bunch of candles and sitting outside on my porch listening to Cicada sink and with music drifting through the windows of my house. It’s really heavenly and enjoyable. And there’s always, of course, the hummingbird watching hummingbirds, which is my absolute favorite pastime. They are the sweetest and most aggressive little feathery friends ever. And me and my Witchling, we like to name the ones that come and claim their home as their territory. I might not be overly fond of spring. There are so many things I do appreciate and absolutely love. My wife and I actually spent all of last weekending our garden order so we can enjoy the space more. And I’m really excited to utilize that space for my practice in the time ahead. And I feel like winter was harder this year than it was in the years past with everything going on and with shadow work. So I have a really high hopes that the spring will be something special, I believe. Yeah, I like laying out, you know, how, like, for whatever reason, in wintertime it’s like the sky is crisper. Does that make sense? It’s like brighter somehow. I like laying out in the yard on a blanket and we like counting satellites. Have you ever done that? Yes. It’s so much fun. You count them as they go live. I think it’s so nice. And you can you can only do that, like, right now or like, at the end of summer. I love that just laying on the ground with a blanket is like me and my family try to do that, like, almost every other weekend. Like, we’ll go to a nature park and just go and chill or we do it in our backyard.
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What is a nature park? Park, I’m sorry. It’s where nature is rolling.
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This is my cement park. It’s 100% cement park. Oh, my God. Welcome to the outside. It is where oxygen lives. This is the oxygen outside. What I’m going to endure, which I don’t know what that is. Sorry, I didn’t mean to roast you. I love you. The only time I went outside as a kid is when I was forced to. My mom would like, go read your book outside. It’s like, No, I don’t want to. Actually, I would prefer mom, if you never said those words to me again. Thank you. Even though when I did go out there, I did enjoy it
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and say that. Don’t. So how about that? Here I am telling my own daughter, you will go outside. You need to go outside, get some fresh air. It’s good for you. How the tables have turned. Oh, how the turn tables have turned. Oh, my God.
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So, Robin, what is stirring your culture? You’re so much better at that than me.
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Thanks. Thank you for asking. First of all, you’re so good. I’m going to talk about something that I think is going to piss some people off, and I don’t think it should. I think that you shouldn’t be angry about this, but I think it’s going to make people mad. So before we start, remember that you loved me before I said this. We have a problem in our community with minor adult relationships. And by that I’m not trying to suggest, like, pedophilia or anything like that. So I’d like to clarify that I’m talking about strictly platonic relationships. Recently, there was apparently some sort of drama with a discord server. I don’t fucking know. I don’t know anything about it. But it was going around that essentially this particular server, it was, like, made up of or is made up. I don’t know. I genuinely don’t even know. It’s made up of 80, 90% minors. And by minor, I mean under the age of 18. And people were messaging other people, being, like, our influencers or people that they felt were large in the community, being like, if you don’t make a statement about this, we’re going to cancel you. And the fact of the matter is, first and foremost, from my position, and I know Maria’s position as well, is I don’t even know what the fuck this server is nevertheless going to make a statement on it. Secondly, it is inappropriate for me, a almost 32 year old woman, to be engaged in any kind of drama involving 15 year olds. That’s inappropriate. That is an abuse of power, and it’s really not okay. And this is just one example of a much larger problem within our community, which is that children and I know that teenagers don’t view themselves as children. I get it. I was a teenager, too. You’re in that weird in between phase of, like, not quite adult, but also you’re not a kid. It’s like that in between. Right, and I get it. I completely understand. But it is very fucking inappropriate for a 15, 1617 year old or younger, god forbid, to have any kind of working friendship or a relationship with an adult, that’s not okay. Yeah. It’s not appropriate. And quite frankly, even with their parents knowledge
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yeah. If I’m not mentoring you one on one where I can meet your mom or your dad or your guardian and we have a conversation where we know what we are talking about in regards to you, the minor, I’m not comfortable with it because it’s not appropriate. And I never, ever, ever want somebody to feel as though it should be appropriate for an adult to do that. That is inappropriate. That is taking advantage of you. And God fucking forbid, there are some patreons, and I know there’s other websites, but I can’t remember what they’re called right now. They’re like those schools that they make them themselves. They self host kind of a thing where they charge you money, they’re taking your money, and they’re minors. Without parental consent to assert dominance and be in an educator role, it is not fucking appropriate. It’s just not. And I believe very strongly that teenagers have a very valid place within our community. I was a teenage witch, too. So is Maria. There is a lot of value, and then being there is completely appropriate and valid to be in the community and in the space. However, there is a fine line between following creators, let’s say, that are over 30, reading their blogs, watching their YouTubes, right, listening to their podcast, versus having a one on one relationship with them, paying them money, et cetera, that is super inappropriate. It takes advantage of people, and it’s not okay. And I don’t know why this even needs to be addressed at all, but I’ve been seeing it a lot lately, and it’s super not okay. I’m really uncomfortable by it.
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Yeah. I mean, as a parent, I found out my daughter had direct communication with someone as old as me, even in between our ages. I’m talking to a 24 year old. No. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t care if, like, even the conversation is completely innocent. That is 20% inappropriate. Inappropriate. I know in the past, Marie and I have had people join our patreon. Now our patreon is an 18 plus patreon. If you join it, it does give you that warning that you are agreeing that you are over the age of 18 or older. And we’ve had people in the past breaking that violation, joining it, and then we’ve had angry parents being like, I want my money back. So not only are you lying to your parents, but you’re lying to us, and you’re putting us in a really shitty position because we’ve stated many times we’re not comfortable with it. I do readings for minors. Same again. On my page, there’s a pop up that says, I agree that I’m 18 or older. I think there’s a lot of validity for minors in the community. And any minor that’s listening to this, I’m not trying to discourage you from researching, learning, and being the best, which you can be, definitely. Please continue to explore. Please continue to learn. Consume content. Follow the creators that you are inspired by. Watch their YouTube, listens to their podcast, read their blogs, but consume it. Don’t cross that line. And I’m not blaming the miners as well. I’m not trying to say, like, oh, it’s the kids fault that they’re crossing this line. It’s the content creators fault for allowing it to happen. When we first got started, we did not have that direct line of communication to authors or creators or anything like that. We just had to learn from books and stuff like that. And I know I did not have an adult speaker in my life that was teaching me. I don’t know. I know it’s a completely different time, but there has to be boundaries in place because for both the consumer and the creator, it’s not appropriate. It’s never going to be appropriate. And I really want to implore the fact that I’m not trying to blame these kids for wanting to reach out to people that they idolize and respect, but we all, as a community, need to start having better boundaries on both ends of the spectrum because it’s not appropriate. The younger witches, exactly one way to protect them. Yes, romantic things are different, right? But there’s still a power play involved. And let’s say let’s take things like sex completely out of the question, right? If your 14 year old daughter or son was dating a 22 year old, even if they weren’t having any sex or anything like that, right? Would that be appropriate? Of course it wouldn’t. Would if your 16 year old daughter or son was dating a 22 year old, would that be appropriate? Again, we’re taking sex totally out of the question. Of course it’s not. So why would it be appropriate for a 32 year old, 34 year old, 40 year old, whatever, to be one on one communication and mentor with something as intimate and personal as our spirituality? Yeah, it’s really not appropriate. And I’m bothered by it. I’m bothered by it, too. When you brought this up, I was like, wow, I would be so pissed. Yeah, I actually talked to Maria about it and was like, are you okay with me talking about this on the podcast? Because I’m upset. Anyway, what sounds during my children has taken twice as long as Maria? So sorry. No, I think a bunch of our not stirring portions are very important and stuff that needs to be discussed because it’s like the difficult stuff. It’s shadow and all that. And like I said, I really want to implore. Like, if you’re a minor, like, go get books. There’s all these free online resources, YouTubers, podcasters, blogs, places that you can get a library card and get books. I’m not saying don’t go learn, do. But also, if an adult is comfortable giving you this one on one mentorship, taking you under their wing. That is a red flag for you underage person to get out of there because that is a power dynamic that is very imbalanced and is not okay. Like, that’s a red flag. Get out of there. Yeah, 100%. Because you have to protect yourself. Just like a creator should have every right to protect themselves. Exactly. Just please be safe, guys. Like, really, please be safe. And I can go on about this for hours. So we should stop now.
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So just like every episode, we are going to talk about creators that we are loving right now. This could be shops, this could be photographers, this could be literally anybody. Do not send us messages asking to be on here. You’re going to get blocked. You’re going to get made fun of. I’m going to roast you. I’m going to make a private Twitter account. All I do is roast you. And not really, but maybe I would. And that’s a threat you should take seriously. You can’t see it right now, but I’m like holding this flower pen that Temperance got me for Christmas. That’s like a tulip and it’s like wiggly. And I’m like pointing like I’m lecturing people with this fucking jelly flower. Anyway, on that note, Maria, who are you loving? Ms. Wheat girl. So I am loving on Instagram calypso Firewitch. Yes. She is an amazing photographer and creator, and she’s a fire breather and performer, which badass same. I wish I could do something like that. And just her photography is so beautiful and so stunning. And it reminds me of oh, my God. What is that tarot deck that I bought yesterday that you showed Michael Rich? Yes. Like, her photography reminds me that it has the same energy. For sure it does. You know what the brand new is? The antique anatomy hero deck. Yes, 100%. Yeah. It’s so good. And she is just amazing and kindhearted person as well. And I just like I appreciate her creativity and her heart. Like 100% recommend following her because, yeah, we’re going to be on drugs. But isn’t she no, she’s not. I am on drugs. Never mind, you know, mermaid. Hello, man behind the curtain. So, Robin, who are you loving? So I am absolutely digging. I think it’s pronounced Heather Lawrence on Instagram. They are a seamstress. And when I tell you that they have made the coolest mask I’ve ever seen in my entire fucking life, I say this with no exaggeration. So I found their account originally because they make like these, like bat collars. So like, you know, the collars you can add on to your tops, like the Peter Pan ones and stuff that like so on or tie on. They’re bat wing ones that I obviously am like, well, I’m going to need 20 of those. They made a bat mask, like a mask for covet and stuff. But it looks like a bat. And when I tell you I have never needed anything more in my entire life. It’s the best thing I’ve ever seen. This is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life or anything. Right? Not that I have, like, a bad obsession or anything, but I need it. I need it right now. I don’t need it right now, but I need it right now. And I think it’s amazing. And it’s one of those things that is on my little Instagram shopping car that I just haven’t had sent on yet, because I have a problem with doing that, but oh, my God, it’s so beautiful. Everyone should get one. We can all be like a big, fat mass cult. Yeah. And I don’t know about everyone else, but I’m probably still going to continue to wear a mask after I will for a lease if I have a cold and stuff, or if I don’t want to do my makeup. I mean, easy out. Yeah. Call me paranoid all you want to, I don’t really care. Yes, I don’t care either. I don’t care. Have you been followed around a store yet by some fat redneck man? Well, him being his size doesn’t matter, so I’d like to redact that. But it’s always been like that one, you know, like those older country boys that clearly drink too much, that kind of body type. Do you know what I’m talking about? Red faces and stuff. Followed me around the store once going, bah. Have you had that happen? Really? No. But someone, my wife and I around the store before covet and creeped us out because they apparently did not like that we were a couple. Even if let’s say that I am a sheep, let’s pretend for a minute that I am a sheep. How is it harming you? What does it matter?
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I don’t want to get a hold of side tangent.
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Okay. Sheep argue. Oh, my God. I remind me after this. There are some baby pigs by our house, maria and when I tell you they’re the cutest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, i, like, cry every time I drive past them. Yes, sir. Now we’re really getting off time. Okay. Yeah. Those cruises are amazing, everybody.
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Well, thank you all for joining us today. We hope to see you on Friday, March 19, where we do our spring equinox episode. And we’re going to have a special guest, J. Allen Cross. So keep an eye out on our Instagram and our Twitter. You can follow us on Instagram at coffeeandcldrenspod or twitter is coffeecoldren’s. For more information. Yes. Or even better, joining us on our discord here, which is for coven on Patreon, so we can answer your questions in part two. Next time, you’ll even get to hear our super sensual, lovely, sexy voices for an additional 30 minutes for being on the Patreon to your casting end up again, this is Coffee and Couuldrons with Robin from at a Tired Witch on Instagram. And I’m maria from at Maria’s Arkin on Instagram. All right, you ready? One, two, three. Bye.
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That was pretty good, actually.